Horace, Ode 1.13

Assignment:

After careful reading of Horace, Ode 1.13, share your thoughts according to the topics presented below.
To be completed between lessons 90-95.

Lines 1-8: Horace jealous of Telephus
Horace talks about how the color in his face pangs with jealousy, how his heart flutters at the thought of Lydia, and how his torment shows by his crying (fervens difficili bile tumet iecur tum nec mens mihi nec color certa sede manet, umor et in genas furtim labitur arguens quam lentis penitus macerer ignibus).
Lines 9-12: Horace angered by their play
Horace says how he’s in agony every time he thinks about her scarred snow-white shoulders and her marred ruby red lips from a drunken Telephus (uror, seu tibi candidos turparunt umeros immodicae mero rixae sive puer furens inpressit memorem dente labris notam).
Lines 13-16: Horace concerned for Lydia
He talks about how Lydia should never look for a faithful heart in Telephus , because all he will ever do is hurt her, physically and emotionally (non, si me satis audias speres perpetuum dulcia barbare laedentem oscula).
Lines 17-20: Horace advising Lydia and longing for "happy" love
Horace says how Lydia will never find a truly happy love in Telephus, because a genuinely happy love will live long, untroubled by strife, and will be a binding love throughout all eternity (felices ter et amplius quos inrupta tenet copula nec malis divolsus querimoniis suprema citius solvet amor die).

Name: Staci McGill
Date: 12/14/2008 06:45:45 PM ET

Jealous lover’s view and emotions Lines 1-8
"meum fervens difficili bile tumet iecur.”
Horace is have a difficult time dealing with the jealousy that he feels toward Lydia’s love of Telephus.

Appalledat their activities Lines 9-12
"turparunt umeros inmodicae mero rixae"
Horace is disgusted that Telephus has hurt her and marred her beautiful shoulders in one of his drunken rages. He is also frustrated that she allowed it to happen.

Statement of who to love Lines 13-16
"non, si me satis audias, speres perpetuum dulcia barbere."
Horace claims that Telephus will never really love her in an attempt to turn Lydia away from Telephus to him.

Belief of love Lines 17-20
"qous inrupta tenet copula nec malis divolsus querimoniis suprema citius solvet amor die.”
Horace imparts his belief on love in order to try and persuade Lydia to turn him as he believes they will be happy together and not troubled by strife or unhappiness.

Name: Morgan Ashley Davenport
Date: 01/09/2009 08:03:43 AM ET

Lines 1-8 : Heartbroken and Jealous Horace
"umor et in genas furtim labitur" (lines 6-7, a tear slips secretly down my cheeks)

Lines 9-12: Indignant Horace
"turparunt umeros inmodicae mero rixae" (line 10, excessive, drunken quarrels that make your bright shoulders ugly)

Lines 13-16: Pleading Horace
"speres perpetuum dulcia barbare laedentem oscula" (lines 13-15, You would not expect him to perpetually hurt those sweet lips)

Lines 17-20: Introspective Horace, on love
"felicas ter et amplius quos inrupta tenet copula" (Lines 17-18, happy, three times and more, are those who have unbroken bonds holding them together)

Name: Alexandra Strauss
Date: 03/24/2009 08:11:38 PM ET

Section 1: Telephus (with you) makes me jealous.
Horace seems to be describing the physical effects of his jealousy and his difficulty restraining his feelings (boiling anger) :fervens difficili bile tumet iecur. This seems rather reminiscent of the Catullus 51, where he describes losing feeling in his tongue, and being filled with warm anger. This section seems to be focusing on creating a true picture of his jealousy: mentally and physically. If the audience doesn't realize the pain of this section, the rest won't have a point.

Section 2: How he marks you!
In this section, Horace is trying to show their unsuitable behavior, especially in terms of the marks on her skin. Whether she enjoyed it or not, Horace believes it is bad for her, and she needs to see that. This seems to be rather emphatic, accusatory, as though it is all Telephus's fault and he is hurting and abusing her. This arouses the audience's anger, as they feel that she should not be with someone unsafe and irresponsible (mero immodicae- excessive fights).

Section 3: He's not right for you.
Horace believes that he is an unfaithful person who is totally wrong and doesn't appreciate her. With his above section, Horace already has the audience thinking that maybe Telephus is not the best influence/ boyfriend. Here, he furthers this idea by fur thering the idea that he doesn't really care about her or take care of her, but just hurts her “non, si me satis audias, speres perpetuum dulcia barbere.”. At the root of him, Lydia cannot find a worthwhile man. Overall, he is just wrong for her, and Lyd ia needs to realize the necessity for her to leave him.

Section 4: Those who are always together are happy. :
"felicas ter et amplus quos inrupta tenet copula..." Those who have unbroken bonds holding them together are happy, three times more. The rest of the section seems just as idealistic, with thoughts of a couple never separating until death. This section s eems to imply that maybe she needs to come to Horace, and they will never part and be happy forever.

Name: Daniel Rasch
Date: 04/01/2009 11:45:29 PM ET

1-8: I puke a little when you talk about him...
I find it funny that I still hear this expression in english today (cum tu...laudas, vae, meum fervens difficuli bile tumet lecur). He has other strong reactions to Lydia and Telephus, such as turning pale (nec color certa sede manet).

9-12: I burn for you still; whether he hits you or kisses you.
Horace's passion for lydia seems to transcend circumstance; she gets drunk and in a fight with Telephus (tibi candidos turparunt umeros immodicae mero rixae), and still Horace burns (uror); likewise if she's kissing Telephus (puer furens inpressit memore m dente labris notam.

13-16: Just don't kiss him again with your tainted lips, ok?
This bit's simple: even if she's heard enough (si me satis audias), Horace implores Lydia to not keep on kissing Telephus because of the pain that it causes him.

17-20: Happy are those together "til death do them part."
A common theme in matrimony: love forever, until the last day (felices...quos inrupta tenet copula nec...suprema citius solvet amor die). And how happy those people must be! Three times as happy as regular people, it would seem (ter...amplius).